Karl Marx

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  1. Robotnick

    Robotnick Well-Known Member Typed

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    This thread is to discuss the ideas of the 19th century thinker Karl Marx. I've expressed that I agree with some of his ideas, while disagreeing with others. Many people here seem to feel the same way.

    On a side note, I think it would be interesting to examine his morphology and phrenology. [​IMG] [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    I see a rather large overall cranium, and a high-vaulted parietal back (Big surprise, huh?) Perhaps some temps as well. Relatively small nose and perhaps facial scrunch (He seemed to have an affinity for the vulgar cromag proles)

    The profile pic also suggest socket depth, but maybe that's just the lighting. He appears to have a good brow nonetheless.

    {Edit} It appears he had a dark complexion and he was known for it. Overall he should be considered non-white imo.
     
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  2. Nottuh

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    Probably brachycephalic, looks like a Melon built on an Alpinoid (Borreby/Alpine) chassis. His Ashkenazi heritage would also have molded his mental traits to some degree as well, although in my opinion he doesn't look especially Jewish.
     
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  3. Robotnick

    Robotnick Well-Known Member Typed

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    Admittedly I have a very limited knowledge of his work. Over the years I've skimmed through large parts of his "Communist Manifesto" and I've read the first few pages of "The Jewish Question"
    His ideas have influenced a ton of people and movements, From the Bolsheviks to Fascist movements. From left to right. But that's obvious

    It's good to try and think of where he was coming from. His main focus seems to be Europe, particularly the more industrialized and developed western Europe. His main enemy is the bourgeoisie, which is an evolution of the merchant class. And he favors the manual-labor class. To my limited knowledge, I'm not sure what motivated him more: love of the working class, or hate of the merchant class. Does he view the proletariat as just a means to overthrow the bourgeoisie? Or an end in itself?

    He would be considered rather politically incorrect by today's standards. He did a good deal of Jew-bashing. [​IMG] [​IMG]

    So did he just want to free Europe (and the world) from the psychopathic financial elite? Or did he just want to create a vulgar, materialistic Master-slave society? Or Something else?
     
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  4. Robotnick

    Robotnick Well-Known Member Typed

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    A quick summary of my opinion on his ideas as I know them so far

    Good Ideas: Synthesis,

    Debatable: Antagonism towards the merchant class (I'm leaning towards "Good" on this one)

    Bad: Destruction of the family (Though I'm not 100% sure what he originally intended by that), Materialism (useful thinking tool, but decadent as a worldview), and the idea that workers deserve the "fruits of their own labor"

    I remember watching the Stephan Molyneux vid "The Truth about Karl Marx" in which he criticizes Marx's work on the basis that Marx was very bad with money and personal finance. Personal finance and economics are two different things. I think Molyneux dropped the ball on that one, though I think Molyneux is (somewhat) on the right track in his own work.

    I feel that Marx would not approve of the uber-degenerate direction his successors have taken his ideology. Especially of Trotsky and the Frankfurt school.
     
  5. glosoli

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    I'm not sure what you mean by his 'synthesis' views?

    From what I've read, he was certainly an equalist, and disliked the fact that any class of people had power over the lives of others, especially in economic affairs. He had a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of capital and the risks involved in growing businesses. He believed that workers were merely exploited, and seemed unable to see that living standards had generally increased for workers through the industrial revolution. His political views were Godless and leftist.

    I'm still struggling to see any sense or rightness in anything he wrote. But I'm willing to consider any evidence to the contrary.
     
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  6. Kensuimo

    Kensuimo Well-Known Member Typed

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    Looks very owly xM.

    Edit: Being bad with money suggests non Mx, although this could also just be upwardnose. Equalism suggests Sx or Tx. Verticalscrunch explains his conception of a just society-there's still top down decision making, it's just that the right people are the ones doing it.
     
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  7. Thalmoses

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    big ideas, genre inventor, maybe?
     

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