Flat earth

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  1. Brilliand

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    Occam's Razor is about discarding irrelevant details, not about rejecting possibilities that are hard to think about.

    Given this, the modern physics concept of the "Alcubierre drive" sounds to me like an admission that:
    • The ether exists
    • The ether can be moved
    The modern concept of Ether, the ancient concept of Aether, and the modern concept of the "fabric of spacetime" do not strike me as particularly distinct from each other.
     
  2. Boneflour

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    Octans constellations don't prove curvature of a round earth. They do rule out the assumed lack of curvature of a flat earth scenario. The model you put forth is contradicted by simple observations.

    I don't care about round earth theory. I'm just looking at flat earth, finding falsifiable statements, and then looking to see whether or not they're true or false.

    There are plenty of smart people here that can talk about a round earth. My position as far as this thread goes is that Earth Is A Time Cube. I have the 24 truth, these 1 truth and 2 truth simplifications are obviously shapeshifter psychic brands meant to lobotomize the population.

    I mean, you're on a mission to deliver The Most Important Truth to the people of this forum. I understand now that you don't get off on being the guy that no one listens to. It's not an ego boost or some kind of weird trip at all. You just said there was no self image or self aggrandizement to be gained here to Aeoli, so there's no question about it.

    I've made a point to take you as seriously as possible as a gesture of respect. Instead of staying with my first impression and laughing you off, I've been rereading the thread and putting in legit discussion.

    You'd think a guy on a mission to deliver The Most Important Truth would at least follow through on his own agreements to discuss the topic at hand. I mean why else would you be here right now?
     
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  3. Moonpony

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    Look, you can't just assert "Flat earthers are impervious to reason, logic, facts" when in order to believe in the curvature of the earth, one has to believe that what one is seeing is not real, but simply a mirage!!

    The flat earther mantra is #wheresthecurvature for a reason - because without curvature, you can't have a globe!! Literally everything else is up for debate if you can't produce curved water!!

    Mycroft you seem to just LOVE to insult flat earthers at every turn, but the reality is that this debate is far far older than any of us, and you already occupy a fringe, extreme, "special headspace" just by being a geocentrist.

    You also claim that the proofs flat earthers supply of long distance lack of curvature is simply an illusion created by refraction of light. This is basically saying that we can't trust our own lying eyes, how many times do I have to put in this thread, you are claiming that things we see are simply mirages because of light refraction.

    Is someone "impervious to reason, logic, facts" for trusting that what they see with their own eyes does not correspond to the globe model!? NO!!! It means they prefer to trust their immediate reality rather than a theoretical model!!

    Is Kansas Really "Flatter than a Pancake"? | http://mentalfloss.com/article/58976/kansas-really-flatter-pancake

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    Kansas should have over 20km (that's 12 and a half miles) of curvature at the measured distance, but it doesn't!! What happened to the earth, guys?!?! Did someone like, slice off a section?!

    The "But that's a mirage" theory is just another rationalisation to prevent you trusting your own judgement instead of what is 'established' by extensive indoctrination.

    Yes, the image is distorted... but it shouldn't be visible at all!! If flat earthers are 'impervious to logic', then globers must just believe that truth is something unknowable to plebs, and only revealed to them by Melonsnakes at TV stations!!

    An actual superior mirage - a fuzzy inverted reflection:



    And here's Mycroft, a sweaty, bozo weatherman, anxious that the lid is coming off of the con, desperately trying to rationalise away the lived experience that you plebs just can't trust:



    @Lorien
     
  4. Mycroft Jones

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    That is why I mention the documentary "Journey to the Center of the Universe". Turns out the mainstream interpretation of Michelson-Morley is badly out of whack; the published results for all the test runs paint a picture that demolishes special relativity (and heliocentricity). We've been defrauded for almost 100 years on this topic.
     
  5. Brilliand

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    That's easy to believe, given how many other topics the mainstream espouses a horribly twisted view of. I'll see if I can find time to watch that documentary. Would it be possible for me to review the published results of the experiments themselves?
     
  6. Son of Distant Trebizond

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    @Aeoli Pera Except that light is not comprised of waves, but rather by particles whose dynamics lead to phenomena that mimic wave behaviour.
     
  7. Mycroft Jones

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    I haven't hunted them down, but I believe so. Sungenis was careful to cite all his sources, if you have access to a university library, you should be able to locate it all. Failing that, you can ask Sungenis directly, he's good at responding to polite seekers of truth. (which I believe you are)
     
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  8. Mycroft Jones

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    Is this Doompony admitting that he wouldn't pass the Mirror Self Recognition test? All those submarine captains using periscopes are just deluded? Perhaps they are using ESP, clairvoyancy and distance viewing instead?

    After all, if refraction doesn't exist, then mirrors don't exist, post hoc ergo procter hoc, eh? Now, who is this handsome fellow looking at me from the wall...
     
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  9. Mycroft Jones

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    It might trigger a narcissist if even a group of autists can't be taken in by his line of bullshit. I could see a triggered narcissist doubling down.
     
  10. Mycroft Jones

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    If anyone wants to look, on the RooshV forum there is also a flat earth thread, and the flat earth defenders there are arguing just like Doompony. And this is the same everywhere I've seen them in action.
     
  11. Moonpony

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    "You aren't really seeing that, it's just imaginary!"

    "Are you out of your mind?"

    "Wow, narcissist!"

    You're living a lie
     
  12. Ulixes Orobar

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    Regarding narcissism, which specific phrenological types tend to be narcissists? (I ask because I'd be surprised to find any clinical or barely sub-clinical narcissists on this forum.) I apologize if I'm derailing the thread too much.
     
  13. Apercus

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    IIRC Einstein said after he created GR that he had restored a kind of ether.
     
  14. BiceBiceBice

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    He literally tears in my eyes.:D
    A good curveball by Moonpony, if you can answer me this I will believe you;

    Is the Sun flat? The Moon? Are there flat stars and round stars, flat moons and round moons in our galaxy? In other galaxies? The other planets in our solar system, are they flat, round or both? Are there any round planets in the universe or are they all flat? Is space more flat than round (if round even exists)?

    It would be very peculiar if only the earth was flat.
     
  15. Moonpony

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    There are no other planets
     
  16. Moonpony

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    I don't think Aeoli is approving absolutely anything I post, but I found some good answers regarding the stars in the southern hemisphere.

    This took some thinking!!!

    Now, as previously stated, in order to believe in the Curvature, one has to suspend disbelief in long distance proofs.

    The southern hemisphere stars appear to indicate the earth is a globe, because only on a globe could you see stars looking out from any position.

    But this assumes you are looking out into empty space with lights floating around in them.

    So you're sort of stuck. Either you think the earth is a globe because of the rotation of the stars, or you think the earth is flat because of the lived experience and the non-curving of water. NEITHER theory is consistent.

    But, if the Southern stars are a reflection or perspective trick of the Northern stars, then reality can be consistent once again. One doesn't have to believe in standing water that curves in order to account for star movements. I would go so far as to say that the idea the earth is a globe is predicated solely on the appearance of the stars in the Southern hemisphere. But because all the evidence says the earth is a flat realm, it's inconsistent with reality! One set of proofs HAS to be false. Either the stars are illusory, or the flat earth long distance proofs are illusory, and curved water is a thing. But curved water is not a thing! So it has to be the stars. Here are two mechanisms by which the southern star rotations can be accounted for.



     
  17. Aeoli Pera

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    This is not a correct understanding of the Alcubierre drive, if the wiki is any guide.

    I agree, there is something in the aesthetics that causes them to feel like each other. The main difference is that the former is a proper scientific theory, and the latter can be described as broadly metaphysical.

    Can I thank a deleted comment?

    Point. But I'd shy away from the term "dynamics" here because I don't understand the "why" part.
     
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  18. Aeoli Pera

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    No apology necessary, now that I know how to split threads I can always clean up after the fact, and tangents are fun.

    First, I should clarify my current beliefs on narcissism.

    Narcissism = entitlement * solipsism * time preference.

    Time preference = impulsiveness, if that's easier to conceptualize. Lots of edenic indicators run to narcissism in different ways.

    M-back can run to narcissism because it is extremely entitled, but it is also extremely low in the solipsism and time preference departments. If an M-back is a narcissist, they will have another trait conferring solipsism or impulsiveness, and they will tend to be the psychopathic subtype of narcissist.

    T-back can run to narcissism because it is extremely solipsistic, but it has reasonably low time preference (1) and is extremely low in entitlement. If a T-back is a narcissist, they will have another trait conferring entitlement, and they will tend to be the psychopathic subtype of narcissist.

    Ectomorphism confers high entitlement because ectos rely more heavily on other people to produce their food (mesomorphic hunters and endomorphic farmers). See: Slavery and political anthropology | https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2016/10/06/slavery-and-political-anthropology/. Mesomorphism confers time preference because hunting and war require a different mindset than farming.

    Shallow sockets confer high time preference, deep sockets the opposite.

    If I think of more I'll post them. What this model predicts so far is that the ultimate narcissist would be an M+T/M dualback with shallow sockets.


    1. T-back time preference is a mix of high and low because we appear to exhibit an extremely impulsive emotionality that is specifically developed for predicting and preparing for the future. Pack your rice, ITZ coming!
     
  19. Aeoli Pera

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    1. I don't believe you're imagining anything, and I believe you're entirely genuine.
    2. I don't believe you're out of your mind. I do believe you have no scientific aptitude.
    3. I do believe you're a narcissist in the clinical sense. For that matter, so is Lazer. I still enjoy both your company, but it's something I keep in mind.

    I believe your issue is that you believe what your own eyes tell you to the exclusion of reason, because you lack the necessary impulse control to be rigorous.
     
  20. Aeoli Pera

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    I've looked at Saturn through a high-powered university telescope, and it looked exactly like the pictures in textbooks. The other stars appear the same as they do to the naked eye, presumably because they are much farther away.
     
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