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  1. Moonpony

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  2. Apercus

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    The Earth's atmosphere is surrounded by a vacuum.

    It's the magic of flow without a container.
     
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  3. Moonpony

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    What kind of magic is gravity that it is strong enough it prevents the atmosphere expanding into the vacuum of space, but is weak enough to allow birds, bugs and dandelion seeds to take off?

    Of course, a rough irregular terrain like the earths surface is going to allow for laminar flow..

    Seriously, you are just under mind control. Your own statement "the earths atmosphere is surrounded by a vacuum" shows how incredibly ridiculous this model is.

    You name it, Gravity does it!

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    I have a very extensive knowledge of fringe theories, because I like them. What you're espousing isn't a fringe theory, it's a bad fringe theory.

    Very few things ever just "emerge" -- that's a democratic fantasy. It's like how materialists deal with consciousness -- "well it just emerges". There are Flat Earthers on Coast 2 Coast AM. C2CAM is run by the Office of Naval Intelligence and Blackwater/Academi. If it's there, it's there for a reason.

    There are many weird theories out there, such as the many variations on Hollow Earth belief, Expanding Earth theories, the idea that the Earth used to be a star, the Electric Universe, plasma cosmology, steady state universes, geocentrism, etc. So why will Shaquille O'Neal claim to believe that the Earth is flat instead of one of those? It is most likely because of a concerted campaign to push this idea.
     
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    Any of those make it 100 km up?
     
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    It might be that aeoli's argument explains why alternative views seems to spread easier in 2017 than in 2007. A concerted campaign might be chosen to start when old beliefs crumble, but new ones aren't strong yet. Window of opportunity before the old programming wears off.

    Then we might ask : Doesn't a deliberate spread of flat theories by those who want to disinform mean that they believe that neither the mainstream nor the flat theory is correct ?
     
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  8. Ulixes Orobar

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    Sometimes, I claim to believe things that I don't really believe in order to determine whether or not anyone else has enough knowledge to refute the model in question. I don't intend to disinform, but I don't really intend to inform normies either. I'm willing to consider almost any idea, though, so I'm not merely mocking those who are not mainstream.

    As far as I can tell, about half of the alt-right ironically believes that the Earth is flat. I think that they do this to confuse newcomers and reporters for the lulz.
     
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  9. Aeoli Pera

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    I'd compare this to the alt-right. There are people pushing it, but there are people pushing a lot of things and flat earth is the one that resonates with the social mood. Before- in Glubb's Age of Intellect- it was quantum field theory. I.e. "Believe only what you see with your own eyes" vs. "believe the most complicated-looking mathematics".
     
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    QFT, the Standard Model, and GUTs exist because they justify the construction of ever-larger particle accelerators. They are an outgrowth of Big Science, which exists because of WWII and the Pentagon.

    (The best explanation I can give on a theoretical level is that second quantization was invented because semi-classical quantum theory lacks a "universe of discourse". The problem is that the ad hoc approaches used to get practical answers from QFT are mathematically inconsistent, and the rigorous approaches to field theory can't predict any experimental outcomes. So, people stick with it because that's where the grant money is, see point 1.)
     
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  11. Moonpony

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    This is exactly what you are all doing right now:



    Before considering even a single proof for geocentrism, or the lack of proofs for heliocentrism, you immediately jump to speculating wildly about who could be funding flat earth voices and why.

    "lol thats wrong, crazy flat earther, the inconsistent fudging of logic I make in my mind tells me you're stupid. Here, have another distraction or obvious fallacy."

    If the earth was a ball, it should curve at an easily measurable 8 inches to the mile, yet it ain't there.

    Notice just how far you guys are from talking about the curvature of the earth?

    Doesn't that tell you how desperate you are to avoid actually thinking about this?

    Life is an IQ test and you are failing miserably
     
  12. Thalmoses

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    No. If flat earth isn't purely organic, and is in fact state-sponsored, then the motivation is to discredit, distract and divide.

    If you want to jam radar, you broadcast garbage radar. If you want to jam skeptics, you broadcast garbage skepticism.

    Flat Earthers made some noise early on at Gab but quickly got buried. Gab has pretty good crowd learning mechanisms, and is exhibiting rapid learning, as bad fringe theories get buried and good ones go mainstream.

    Meanwhile, anti-Semitism is going gangbusters. Boy was I wrong on that one.

    I'd like to think it's because I didn't know what "Jews" looked like. FFS, a physiognomy "expert"...
     
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  13. Moonpony

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    Well I am severely disappointed. I expected that there would be at least some form of open mindedness here but instead apparently Flat earth is "garbage skepticism."

    Guess what, if you start out at the position that your opponent is already wrong and you are already right, then it is worthless discussing it because your brain will rationalise away all the cognitive dissonance you experience.

    The behaviour of the forum demonstrates that the capacity for self doubt is not evident. Hence the utter absurdity of saying things like laminar flow account for still air on a spinning ball 'planet'.

    "What could be the deep states rationalisation for spreading this disinformation..?"

    You haven't verified it's disinformation. You've simply assumed it. Garbage premise, garbage discussion. Making the whole thread bunk and an exercise in ignoring the heretic / outsider.

    There is plenty of speculation, but there are plenty of facts. Facts like standing water has never been shown to have curvature.

    Wheres the proof of the oceans bending and curving like they should on a spinning ball?

    How come the water does not flow up rivers that aren't as steep as the earths curvature?

    How come Kansas is just so, well, flat??

    How come Polaris hasn't moved for millennia?

    Flat Earth is not as stupid as you thought. Quit the speculation games and look at the obvious!

    The simple fact you can stand in the middle of an airplane and see the horizon out of both windows proves the earth is a flat plane!

    no matter how big the earth, such a thing is impossible on a sphere, because as you moved towards one window to look down upon the ball-earth, you would be unable to see the horizon out the other window as it would be below your line of sight!

    All flat earthers are people who have tried to disprove flat earth for themselves.. and failed! Because the curvature isn't there! Time for NH to stop being so cocksure and realise the globe is a deception to make you distrust your own senses in favour of scientamagistical experiments!

    Get a coolpix 900 and prove the "globe" for yourself at a lake or between landmarks!
     
  14. Aeoli Pera

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    The only thing I'm still curious about is the retrograde motion thing. What's the flat earth explanation for it?
     
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    Well, I'll ask a relative about it, who recently returned from a world circumnavigation by sail.

    I guess it's possible he got captured and drugged by some South Sea Jews, but he seems very convinced that he bore West the entire voyage, with only the occasional southern detour to avoid a continent or two.

    How would you explain 'Great Circle' trajectories on long-distance flights?
     
  16. Moonpony

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    The path of the wandering stars is affected by the sun.

    Don't really know so much about it myself, but there's a lot to learn about FE models:




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    As things are getting heated, and likely to remain so, this is a good place to remind users that Xenforo has both ignore and follow features accessible via clicking a user's name.
     
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    Yeah, coming in with a SUPER REVELATION and immediately accusing everyone of being retarded fuckwits brainwashed by ZOG... because they don't immediately accept it wholesale? That trips my bullshit heuristics.

    While we're speculating about mental states and how desperate we are to avoid thinking about this stuff...

    Flat Earth is an extreme claim. The average person is going to need more than a few thought experiments and some condescending YouTube videos to actually change their mind. It's like saying submarines don't exist and all we see are Potemkin shells and photo ops.

    Between acting like an extreme claim is stupid obvious... and insulting everyone for disagreeing... You're in the middle of making it as hard as possible for anyone to even consider this stuff, at least when it's coming from you.

    Did you consciously choose one of the most unpersuasive ways possible to present this groundbreaking, massively important truth? Or do you kind of get off on being the guy no one listens to?
     
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    Haven't you read Apercus' comment ?
    If they believe flat earth to be correct, then drawing attention to it is the last thing they'll want to do (there's no large underground flat earth movement which broadcasts, so there's no one to jam and distort in the first place) they would obviously choose one of the other theories to spread - and note that spreading them would be much easier because most people recoil at the notion of flat earth.
    They would argue, that the modern view is just as stupid and false as flat earth was, and that we're seeing a second copernican revolution. And so they'd neatly have redirected people's attention to bullshit topics and strengthened the anti-flat earth sentiment.
     
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  20. Aeoli Pera

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    Today I learned that there are times I should restrain myself from "cutting to the chase" on the grounds that other people will watch me do so as an authority figure and follow suit. This may explain the increasing necessity of politeness as leadership altitude increases and perceptions begin to influence reality. I'll have to consider this.
     

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