Whites learned civilization as the dawn of civilization. I think our racial memory is strong enough that if we found ourselves with no civilization, we would come up with a civilization of some sort. Nobilid means anyone with "noble physiognomy". It isn't defined in terms of the Edenic races, but in practice it's often used as a synonym for Thal. Yes. Some degree of melon traits seems to be universal among the Jews, though most of them are probably borderline and don't necessarily count. I've heard similar things about Germans being Thallish.