Firstly, thanks for the welcome back, but I'm not sticking around. I honestly didn't read all of your reply to me, as it veered off the topic onto other hypothetical stuff, rather than addressing the point on which I disagreed (i.e. apparent better gut health/longevity is worth having despite all of the costs/downsides I mentioned), and maybe you didn't notice that I ignored the OP question, I just expressed my preference for a small tribe. Maybe one day I'l buy a remote island somewhere, despite the current shit-show, and invite some Thal brothers and sisters to join me. Would be so nice. Also, an FYI, real Christians are given their life as they die, the brief visit to this planet is painful for us, we mostly hate it here, and we are taken somewhere much much better as our mortal life expires.