Americanization

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  1. BiceBiceBice

    BiceBiceBice Well-Known Member

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    "Shut up, you balloon head little fuck"
    Nobody ‘stealing’ your jobs, you spend too much on wars, Alibaba founder tells US | https://www.rt.com/business/374289-alibaba-us-jobs-military/

    Americas job is war(struggle), good and bad ones.
    Bad ones being the result from overcommiting and generously sharing whiteish altruism with ogga booga races, they themselves not being very keen on that kind of governance and lifestyle tbqh.
    The last days of outcry have been very funny, "america world police bad!!!", with Trumps America First policy aka muh "america no longer world police how could you do this to us please come back and be world police again!!!".

    I think Ma is jerking you Americano-Melons here because "war is always bad", not that itz true, but just saying it gives you the moral high ground and then you can proceed to spout whatever not-relatable-to-reality shit you want, going of on tangents as he seems to like to do.

    I find this funny from a Melon vs SC perspective. He seems to be some kind of K-SJW just to get under your skin and do you over. I sure miss the old Chinese Kingdoms, Commie china only brought smog (China starts televising the sunrise on giant TV screens because Beijing is so clouded in smog | Daily Mail Online | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540955/Beijing-clouded-smog-way-sunrise-watch-giant-commercial-screens-Tiananmen-Square.html) and exploding cabbage, exploding coins, exploding office chairs, and counterfeit exploding plastic rice.

    You spend to much on smog.
    Many such cases. Sad!

     
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  2. Apercus

    Apercus Benefactor of Humanity Baron

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    He is absolutely correct.
    This is retarded. You're a Swede, why do you feel the need to suck America's cock?

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    Why would Ma even bother telling Americans the truth? They don't want to hear it, and he probably makes a pretty penny off of America's wars too. John McCain recently chaired a committee which found that millions of Chinese counterfeit electronics had made their way into thousands of American weapons systems. It's been like this since Korea.
     
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  3. BiceBiceBice

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    We live in an American World.
    America is a conglomerate of Western White Males, and now in itz second iteration it is more ooga, not quite too booga, yet. Hopefully Trump reverses this by incentives for whites to breed, i.e. less screen time for you.
    American inventions, list of notable Americans (Europeans genetics), who influenced and influence the world, that Constitution is quite dope, the internet etc. Yes, I eat peanutbutter too, not racis.
    Extremely simplified:

    NO PAIN NO GAIN.

    Spare me pictures of the bombed "noble" mud races. You are the Swede here, go back to r-kindergarten where it is either white or black. Since you are distoring and skewing what I said on purpose, here is another bone for you. If the cost of progress are millions of bombed ooga booga children, I'm fine with that. God knows they never did anything bad to us, a race of angels and I would just like them dead for no good reason other than being an evil American-cocksucking brownose.


    Go back to reddit.
     
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  4. glosoli

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    Any one that believes the outputs from a McCain US Govt committee is surely winning in the competition to gag on Uncle Sam's proud member. Swallow hard dear Apercus.
     
  5. Robotnick

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    I really don't see the Americanization of the world as anything other than horrible. It seems to aim to reduce the entire world to a dull consumerist mono-culture. And it plans to bring it's outdated decadent "Enlightenment" ideals to diminish and destroy otherwise at least somewhat vibrant cultures.

    Japan is a decent example. We gave them "Freedumb and Democrazy" and now you see those effeminate boy-bands from a once great Masculine nation. Japan has thankfully held on to some of it's culture and hasn't totally cucked-out (Mongoloids seem less retarded than whites in this respect)

    I'm pretty convinced the middle east is the way it is today, because the U.S. started fucking with it in the first place.

    With "The Marshall Plan" we ended up making Europe politically, and economically dependent on us, and pave the way for them to become bigger cucklords to liberal multiculturalist ideals.

    It has also spread gangsta rap ghetto sapien culture so that there is less selective pressure against the low-IQ degenerates of nations.
    Fast food is another plague that has already affected Americans by degenerating them through obesity.

    Seriously. Fuck that shit


    {EDIT} This isn't to say everything about America is bad. but I believe we need to really back off from the rest of the world. Trump seems to be going in the right general direction with protectionism and opting out of the U.N.
     
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  6. Betelgeuse

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    America's neotenization might be the source of this mindless consumerism- the search of instant gratification- and it might have Japanese roots, since there started this "all cutesy" stuff trend...I'm not sure. But it's half funny half sad, indeed. Neoteny is a problem that can't be stopped... and it started a long time ago with the agricultural revolution. But don't worry, "pockets" of adult humans will take care of everything, once the NWO will be implemented :)
     
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  7. glosoli

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    Don't blame America @Robotnick .
    Blame those who have systematically worked to destroy Christian Western Civilisation since c. 300AD. America is just the latest in a long list of nations so abused. A few extra IQ points and service to Satan reaps rich (but temporary & material) rewards for the string-pullers. Eternity in hell is a exactly what they deserve. Fuck their bloodlines.
     
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  8. Son of Distant Trebizond

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    Wrt the Middle Eastern situation, it's obviously an Israeli manipulation (to the extent that that's separable from US manipulation). All the credible national rivals they previously had in the region have been obliterated at a single stroke. And if the fun really kicks off into nuclear pinball, they will finally get the needed peace and quiet to finish the Palestinians once and for all.
     
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  9. Robotnick

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    I think the American system is what has brought on this neotenization in the first place. I don't know exactly what was the root of it. There are probably multiple causes. The counter-culture which began the fuck-up of gender roles and soft hippy morality. Also the processed food and other dietary/pharmaceutical factors probably influenced it as well.

    Liberalism and Neocon interventionism are two sides of the same coin. One paves the way for the other. The Neocons pave way for the degenerate liberals to infect the world. The Islamic countries are right to be hostile to America. (Also, you know that ISIS was pretty much instigated by the U.S. and Israel) The Arabs may be a bunch of low IQ obnoxious R-ish types, but at least they impose/have a certain standard of masculinity and martial competence.

    The U.S. takes advantage of their low sloping forehead tribal mentality and pits them against eachother to cause instability in the region (and further justification to intervene and take control)

    Yes, the U.S. has obviously been hijacked by the Jews/Illuminati and their servants, but what can you expect from a country founded by Freemasons? The great experiment must have it's foundations revamped (or better yet, replaced)

    Yeah, bullshit

    Read chapter 11 of "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"
    The New Idol < Thus Spoke Zarathustra < Friedrich Nietzsche <4umi word | http://4umi.com/nietzsche/zarathustra/11
     
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  10. Apercus

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    Remove your head from your ass. Would you rather I showed you pictures of white American soldiers who were paralyzed from the chest down? Is advancing the Yinon Plan "progress"? You can't refute what Ma said.
     
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  11. Boneflour

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    Since this is the TT side of the Forums, I'm asking everyone to stop with the cocksucker stuff, and the "go back to reddit" stuff, and the headass stuff. Everyone got some licks in, that's enough.

    My take:

    Every now and then I hear somebody saying how terrible humanity is.
    "Cats don't start World Wars, they don't pollute the environment, it's humans that do all that."

    Well yeah, humans do that. Humans are the only ones playing the game at this level right now. Dolphins (for example) form rape pods and go cruising for females to gangrape for weeks. They also kill the babies of other species, basically genocide. What are the chances that they would suddenly become amazing saints with another 50 IQ points and some guns?

    This is part of humanity:

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    Does that mean that humanity is some special kind of evil? Fuck no, it just makes them human. There's good and there's bad, but humanity has competed pretty well with the rest of the animal kingdom.

    I told you that story so I could tell you this story.

    Apercus isn't wrong. Mike Ma isn't wrong. The American Elite and the (((Elite))) have fucked the masses in the ass. The managerial class keeps creating more stupid evil shit that needs managing. And pussies that we are, we've been taking it.

    Here's the thing: I haven't heard of a major country that didn't do some kind of horrifying shit. The Romans were up to some degenerate crap during their decline. China killed 45 million of their own dudes not too long ago: Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' | http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

    I'd still rather live here than (insert African country here). I'd rather live here than Brazil. I'd rather live here than Britain. I'd rather live here than China, pretty sure.

    I'm guessing the only reason (insert African country here) doesn't have some kind of top-secret mind control program and giant totalitarian abomination of a state is because they just don't have the ability. Does that make them more moral?

    What is with all these bloated, bureaucratic, totalitarian regimes? Why do they keep coming up? Fucking Freemasons, how do they work? Hell if I know. I'm amazed that any of this civilization shit worked in the first place. But I don't think America is uniquely evil, just bigger and (slightly) more functional evil.

    There's a lot of good shit here to. I am pretty fond of the Internet. I think "more good shit, less horrifying shit" is something everyone here can get behind.

    P.S. @Apercus, what countries did better than America? What countries have had the same levels of resources and technology, and didn't murder millions of people and somehow forget they ever did it? What has America done that is uniquely evil, that some other country with power and opportunity wouldn't do? I haven't gone after that information, but I won't ignore it, either.

    Tex had good things to say about Byzantium, I honestly don't know beyond that.
     
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  12. Robotnick

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    Maybe we should make a thread for opinions on America.

    I would note that Boneflour and Apercus think and operate under considerably different moral parameters.

    I personally am more concerned with the long term overall consequence of things rather than intentions/principles like the bastard crypto-heathen I am. It doesn't matter to me how "less evil" the U.S. is in its doings. I simply see the spread of American ways and ideas throughout the world as causing the destruction of beauty and vitality in peoples. The American government has become a vessel for Jewry.

    "Communism may kill the body, but liberalism rots the soul." You might as well replace "Liberalism" with Americanism

    I find America to be a good thing when held within it's own sphere. It's urbanite culture is getting out of hand in terms of decadence though.

    I will shut up about this here, and talk about it somewhere else later.
     
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  13. glosoli

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    I read the comments above this morning, and have been pondering this topic on and off all day. We have a saying in the UK 'There's nowt so queer as folk' (meaning odd, not gay). Sometimes people type stuff into a keyboard for an online community with little idea that the words they write betray their own inconsistencies or cognitive dissonances. Maybe I do the same, you tell me?

    Anyway, some interesting matters I noticed and pondered today:

    (The quotes above appear to contradict each other. Is Ma telling the truth to the Americans, or is he not bothering to tell the truth. Apercus believes Ma can't be refuted. If you can work out the reasoning, you're a better man than me. Me, I just think it's purile garbage. Anger-text, little thought).

    Do Boneflour and Apercus actually believe that Ma spoke factually and truthfully when he said 'Nobody is stealing your jobs'? It's there in the headline, although I assume you would have read the article too. Neither of you disagree with Ma that US jobs have not been stolen?

    That is weird, as it's common knowledge and a fact that millions of US jobs have been stolen by the Asians via the globalists. If my memory serves, it was an issue that was mentioned ALL THE FUCKING TIME in the US election, it was one of Trump's key promises. I could insert here a 'job participation' chart from FRED, but I can't be arsed, I could also show some stats on Chinese jobs and factory output growth, but we all know what's happened.

    So, you have to ponder why Boneflour agreed with Ma, not so much Apercus, cos he's clearly a few pennies short of a dollar. Boneflour, am I reading you correctly, your agree with Ma on US job losses overseas being a fiction?

    Apercus has stated in the past that he believes America lost WW2. Whether they did or didn't, surely he accepts that the US has long been a pawn of a malicious deep state, controlled by (((money men))). So, why blame America, why not blame those who steer policy, the Israelis and those from the left who have infiltrated every institution in America, or (assuming the WW2 loss thesis is correct) blame the Japs or Germans? My hunch is simply that he has a huge anti-American bias, possibly because they're the last big nation to stand in the way of a New World (socialist, humanist) Order. Lots of criticism of some US-inflicted atrocities, not so keen to talk about Chinese and Soviet democides, or German & Jap atrocities though (cos they're his people, both ethnically and ideologically, evil). Summary: he hates America for its whiteness & its Christianity, but he'll pick at crumbs and throw out one-liners to deflect from the real evil. But he is a self-confessed leftist.

    I was also interested in Boneflour's comments about humanity, as I pondered this issue over a year ago here:

    Screwtape Files: It's not easy being an animal | http://screwtapefiles.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/its-not-easy-being-animal.html

    I would say that the conclusions I reached back then were similar to those Boneflour reached in his comment above, but I've since realised (through becoming red-pilled and a Christian) that I was completely wrong.

    Dolphin rape gangs: a myth. http://justingregg.com/the-dolphin-rape-myth/

     
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    The Marshall Plan was designed to do to Germany exactly what it has done, turn them into submissive little betas. I think the idea was that a cucked Germany wouldn't start anymore wars. Who new they would roll over and let the Mudslimes in. Now we are almost right back to where we started a Germany that wants to Exterminate (((them))) again. The bonus is that for some reason Germans have developed a taste for each others excrement,,odd
     
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  15. Apercus

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    Put simply: the abandonment of protectionist measures alone is not sufficient to explain America's economic decline, you also have to explain the decline in the competitiveness of American industries, and this was caused by the military-industrial-congressional complex.
     
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    I think Apercus has a more collectivist setpoint than most whites due to being half-Asian, but I appreciate and share the humanity behind his genuine concern for the suffering of children.

    I don't think Western levels of individualism are genetically appropriate for East Asians.

    I don't think my levels of individualism are genetically appropriate for genpop whites.

    From my perspective, this has been a wonderful thread, with each viewpoint and clash contributing something of value.

    Curious that the arena would be here!
     
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  17. glosoli

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    I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation of the above statement, or seeing some stats that prove your view. In my view there is no correlation between military spending and industry competitiveness whatsoever, let alone causation.
    I think you have nothing though, you just read Ma's BS and it fits your worldview, but let's see.
     
  18. Boneflour

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    Glosoli's Screwtape Files article was interesting, and I agree with some of it.

    Glosoli, do you believe that people in interviews always say things that are 100% literally verifiable with no metaphor or context added? I'm reminded of when someone asked Hillary Clinton if she told someone to wipe her server and she said, "What, like with a cloth or something?"

    Something can resonate and be 'close enough' as a phrase without being logically/technically/pedantically true. "They took our jobs" is how it looks on the ground, which is why Trump talks about our jobs being stolen. Communicating an idea to a mass audience means fudging the words to get the idea across.

    For example, I chose dolphins because of the common "I Fucking Love Science" level understanding that dolphins are secretly evil... to make the point that many human "evils" are not unique to us, that it's just natural competition.

    So dolphins don't form rape gangs. Does that refute my point? Well, according to the article, "Forced copulation has been observed in ducks, lizards, monkeys, fruit flies, crickets, orangutans, chimpanzees, and countless other species." So no.

    A more accurate way to get the "nobody's stealing your jobs, you spend too much on wars" point across would be:
    But Jack Ma isn't writing an article, he has to get the point across in a interview/soundbite format.

    When Trump says "Mexico is stealing our jobs," what, did a hit squad cross the border and kidnap Ford executives and employees? No. It's closer to say that a complex combination of regulations and incentives has made it more profitable to hollow out the heartland and ship jobs overseas. America sold itself out.

    If you look at Trump's policies, he's essentially trying to rebalance the system to favor American labor, and to incentivize companies to move manufacturing back. He's not stuffing a bunch of jobs in a sack and putting them on a plane back to the US. He's reducing the labor pool in the US (border wall)... increasing the costs of offshoring (tariffs, VAT)... reducing the cost of business in America (tax breaks, regulation freeze, govt hiring freeze, 'clean coal')... and diverting government funds to benefit American people and businesses instead of multinational corporations (build the wall, infrastructure spending, VA reform, "build American, buy American")

    "We're going to rebalance the system!" ...Not quite punchy enough for a campaign slogan. So what does Trump say?

    We're going to Make America Great Again.
     
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  19. glosoli

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    Equivocation, not interested. Backtracking, not interested.
    You think humans and animals are the same. I hope Jehovah finds you one day. But you ignored my substantive point about good and evil and God. Hmm.

    You think a complex blah blah blah does not equal theft of US jobs, or it does? Be a man, own your errors. Or be a politician, mince lots of words, whatever, I'm not here to chat with politicians. So little straight talk, you want it both ways. Because you agreed with Ma, but he lied. The jobs were stolen, plain and simple. Stop digging.
     
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    Don't tell me what I think, thanks.

    For the record I actually think humans and animals are different.
    If anything, I think humans are better than most animals, the argument above was me specifically disagreeing with those who think "people are animals" "people are worse than animals" etc.

    Since you have said, "You (Boneflour) think humans and animals are the same,"... Either you're a liar... or you can literally read minds and have picked up the thought processes inside my head... or maybe we're misunderstanding each other. Normally I'd call this bad faith and switch communication styles, but I'll try again, in case it is miscommunication.

    Glosoli, do you think the US would have more jobs if we stopped printing fiat to finance pointless wars in the Middle East... took the war money and the Wall Street bailout money... and used that money to rebuild infrastructure in the US? Because that's Jack Ma's actual point, if you read the thing.

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    When American government regulators strangle businesses, American manufacturers chase profits by offshoring (using an army of lawyers to break as few laws as possible), when Americans put other Americans out of business... How is that Mexico's fault? How is that China's fault? Obviously they're going to try and influence things to favor their respective countries, that's how it works. If America offers up a retarded bargain, they're gonna take that easy money.

    There are several conflated perspectives here. One is the Average Joe having to train some Indian to do his job, and getting fired. "They took our jobs," he says. Damn right they did.

    But that US company decided to offshore labor. They aren't suddenly missing 40 employees because they moved the offices to India. From that perspective, the job didn't go anywhere. The position's filled. You aren't owed a job just for having a pulse in a certain patch of dirt. There is nothing to steal.

    Yeah, there are a shit ton of Mexicans, Chinese, Indians, etc. moving into the US and getting jobs. That's American Government Policy. There are entire government organizations dedicated to getting un-American brown people jobs at the expense of the native population. Don't have enough browns, get sued by the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission. How is Mexico stealing jobs when USG mandates hiring foreigners, when USG imports and houses 'refugees', when USG opens up the border and says "You're not illegal, just undocumented."

    The average dude isn't paying attention to that shit. All he knows is the factory's shutting down and moving to Mexico. "They took our jobs," he says. He's not wrong.

    Jack Ma isn't wrong either. "Hey, you upper management USG assholes keep trying to say China caused all your problems? What, did we force you to print off eleventy trillion USD to pay off your banking buddies and your military contracts? Maybe you wouldn't be so broke if you didn't spend so much money on garbage."

    This is actually Trump's position, if you look at his speeches, his criticisms of (for example) the F-35 project, his talk about how China is killing us in trade. "Our guys in charge are garbage, look these terrible deals! When I am in charge, I will make better deals that benefit AMERICANS, not whoever works at XXX Multinational Holding Company."

    The bottom line: People are using different descriptions to describe sets of ideas. Something that isn't literally true can make sense in context. Nobody's sitting around going, "What is the most logically consistent, factually correct way to explain my position?" They're going, "What is the most emotionally resonant way to persuade people to do what needs to be done? How do I get my complex point across with maximum Truthyness Value?"

    Again, Glosoli, do you think the US would have more jobs if we stopped printing fiat to finance pointless wars in the Middle East... took the war money and the Wall Street bailout money... and used that money to rebuild infrastructure in the US? Because I'm pretty sure that was Jack Ma's actual point.
     
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